Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

What is a color? A color by any other name…

I had an issue come up this past week when I was asked to purchase some pencils for someone from another country.  He was asking me to purchase some P207 Blue Green Metallic pencils from a retail chain for him, and he would purchase the P207 Mint Green Metallics from a dealer online.

Now, I had no problem with him purchasing some of the pencils from someone else, as I did not have them, and he could not order specific colors from the retail chain, and they are local to me. What I did have a problem with, was him asking me to purchase the Blue Green Metallics, or what I had seen called Mint Green and him ALSO purchasing the Mint Green from someone else. So, I started digging into what he was actually asking for.


web-colour-code-listTo start off with, Pentel assigns color codes to their models of pencils, when there are different colors available.  For example, black is code A, so a black P205 is P205A (or sometimes P205-A), and blue is code C, so the standard blue P207 is P207C, etc.  Above is the standard color code list that you can find around the internet, and applies to most of the Pentel line, although there are more colors than this, such as code K1 (Mint Green).

The good news is that the pencils he is ordering from this other company were Light Green, so we were not ordering the same colors.  The bad news is that the code for these pencils was P207MK1, not P207MK.  I went to my pencils and pulled out my pencil from this company, and sure enough, the Light Green was P207MK1.  I thought about this for a few minutes and then went to my P209 pencils and looked at the Mint Green pencil, and it is coded P209M-KX.

This got me thinking; had I had these wrong the whole time?  And if so, where did I get the information in the first place.  So I started to dig into the database of my pencils, and found that the P205 had these pencils as well.

P205 Initial Release

So, back in 2012, Pentel released a limited run of 13 colored P205 pencils.  These pencils were released singly, and in retail packages, but in all cases, they had a sticker on them with their barcode and the item code, so I know exactly what color went with what code.
P205M-BX (Red Metallic)
P205M-CX (Blue Metallic)
P205M-DX (Green Metallic)
P205M-KX (Light Green Metallic)
P205M-K1X (Mint Green Metallic)
P205M-PX (Pink Metallic)
P205M-P1X (Rose Pink Metallic)
P205M-SX (Sky Blue Metallic)
P205M-VX (Violet Metallic)
P205M-X (Gold)
P205M-YX (Rose Gold Metallic)
P205M-Z (Silver)
P205-WX (White)

I believe that they added the X to the end of the color to differentiate the first three colors from the Marble pencils that were released in 2010 (P205-MB, P205-MC, P205-MD) and carried it through the rest of the line.

P205 Later Release

In 2016, Pentel re-released 5 of the original colors (with new item codes), plus a new color.
P205MBX (Red Metallic)
P205MCX (Blue Metallic)
P205MDX (Green Metallic)
P205MVX (Violet Metallic)
P205MZX (Silver)

P205MNX (Metallic Graphite)

P207 Initial Release

In 2016, Pentel released 8 colored P207 pencils.  In this case, they were only released in retail packaging and did not have any stickers on them, but these colors matched the colors of the P205 pencils released in 2012, so I assigned the same color codes, except for the Metallic Graphite and Silver, which I received with stickers and item codes.
P207M-KX (Light Green Metallic)
P207M-K1X (Mint Green Metallic)
P207M-PX (Pink Metallic)
P207M-P1X (Rose Pink Metallic)
P207M-SX (Sky Blue Metallic)
P205M-YX (Rose Gold Metallic)
P207MN (Metallic Graphite)
P207Z (Silver)

P209 Initial Release

In 2017, Pentel released 4 colored P209 pencils.  These were released individually, with stickers having the barcode and item code on them.  There was a limited release of retail packaging, but I have not found anyone who carries them locally.
P209M-KX (Mint Green Metallic)
P209M-NX (Metallic Graphite)
P209M-PX (Pink Metallic)
P209M-ZX (Silver)

P207 Later Release

In 2018, 4 colors were released as individual pencils (along with the P207MN & P207Z).
P207MK1 (Light Green Metallic)
P207MP1 (Rose Pink Metallic)
P207MS (Sky Blue Metallic)
P207MY (Rose Gold Metallic)

 

So, if you look at the above pencils in Bold typeface, these are the ones I am concerned about.

Light Green PencilsIMG_0905

The bottom pencil was the original 2012 release of the P205M-KX, and the top was the 2018 release of the P207MK1.  You can see that Pentel flip-flopped the color code.

Mint Green PencilsIMG_0906

They may have changed the color very slightly, but it is still the Mint Green that started out at the bottom with the K1 code for the P205 and ended with the K code for the P209.  The P207 never had a sticker for this color, but i wanted to show it in the image.

As the P205 in these colors was never reissued with these colors, and a span of 5 years (2012 to 2017) between when the color codes were made public on the pencils themselves, it looks like someone got confused at Pentel USA and assigned the wrong color code in 2017, and has stayed consistent in later releases.

It does make it a pain, as I have to go back and change the codes in my database on all of the P207 initial release pencils that I have, so they stay consistent with the later release. I never caught this, as I did not go back and check the code against the colors on later pencils vs the P205.

 

This is not the only time that Pentel has done this, although this second time was between different divisions.  In 2016, Pentel Japan released the P200 for Boys & Girls, and in 2018, Pentel Brazil released their versions.  But, Pentel Brazil changed the codes to something that I cannot make heads, nor tails out of.

Japan Code Color Brazil Code
P205BG-C Navy P205-BM
P205BG-P Coral Pink P205-SA
P205BG-P2 Baby Pink P205-LP
P205BG-S Serenity Blue P205-LB
P205BG-W Off-White P205-CW

I can figure out some of the Brazil codes, such as LP for Light Pink, LB for Light Blue, maybe Cloud White for CW, and (stretching it), Salmon for SA, but I have no clue for what BM would stand for.

 

But, in any case, after this research, I now know what I am supposed to purchase, and what my friend is purchasing for himself.

Here is a PDF of where I know the different pencils are available in the United States.  United States Availabilty of P200 pencils.pdf

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

P200 for BOYS & GIRLS, Parte Dois

Every year since 2012, at least one division of Pentel has released a new series of P200 pencils, somewhere in the world.  In early August this year it was Japan with the P200 for Clena, then about a week later, it was Brazil with their version of the P200 for Boys & Girls. I just received my pencils from Brazil this past week.

Differences

This post is about the Brazilian version of the pencils Japan released in 2016 (http://www.pentel.co.jp/special/7711/), which were manufactured in Brazil. The Brazilian versions are different in several respects from the Japanese version.
1. The text of the pencils is different between the two versions.  The Japanese version is all new, where the Brazilian version just adds the “P200 BOYS & GIRLS” in front of the standard text:
Japanese: Automatic Pencil P200 0.5   P205
Brazilian: P200 BOYS & GIRLS 0.5mm Pentel P205
2. Brazil changed the color of the text on all the pencils to Dark Blue except the Dark Blue pencil, they left white.
3. Brazil manufactures these in 0.5mm, 0.7mm & 0.9mm, where Japan only released these in 0.5mm.
4. Brazil used the standard black Inner Body instead of the white Inner Body that Japan used on their version of these pencils. P200 for BOYS & GIRLS Inner Body.jpg

Color Codes

When I was entering these pencils into my tracking system, I found that Brazil had changed all of the color codes from those of the Japanese versions.  I started trying to make sense of the codes, but could not from the perspective of Pentel’s color code system.web-colour-code-listHere is the list of P205 pencils with first the Japanese Color, then the Japanese Code, then the Brazilian Code.

Japanese Color Japanese Code Brazilian Code
Navy P205BG-C P205-BM
Coral Pink P205BG-P P205-SA
Baby Pink P205BG-P2 P205-LP
Serenity Blue P205BG-S P205-LB
Off-White P205BG-W P205-CW

I could not figure out these codes, other than the P205-LP and -LB, being probably Light Pink and Light Blue.  My wife suggested that the P205-SA is probably Salmon and the P205-CW is some variant of White, probably Cloud White.  Neither one of us could figure out what the M is on the P205-BM, since it is a Dark Blue (Blue Major?).

The main thing I am wondering is, did they get someone in to Pentel Brazil in charge of these that has never worked for Pentel before, and so they did not know to follow the color codes?  What other reason to use these non-Pentel color codes is there?

For all of the images below of the pencils, they start from top to bottom with the Japanese version, then the Brazilian P205, P207 and then the P209.

P200-BM Blue (Major?) / NavyP200-BM

This is the Dark Blue / Navy pencil version of these pencils.  As you can see very similar other than the text and the Cutout, where the Japanese pencil says Japan and the Brazilian ones do not list a country.  The color of the white is a little brighter on the Brazilian pencils.

The IAN codes are:
P205BG-C – 4902506333957
P205-BM – 7898419167123
P207-BM – 7898419167178
P209-BM – 7898419167222

P200-CW Cloud White / Off-WhiteP200-CW

The White version of these pencils all use a blue text, but the Brazilian versions is a little brighter blue than the Japanese.

The IAN codes are:
P205BG-W – 4902506333995
P205-CW – 7898419167093
P207-CW – 7898419167147
P209-CW – 7898419167192

P200-LB Light Blue / Serenity BlueP200-LB

Here is where the text colors start to change dramatically.  The Japanese version in white is hard to read in this picture, but the Brazilian blue really stands out.

The IAN codes are:
P205BG-S – 4902506333988
P205-LB – 7898419167116
P207-LB – 7898419167161
P209-LB – 7898419167215

P200-LP Light Pink / Baby PinkP200-LP

The text color here are both a blue, but again the Brazilian blue pops here.

The IAN codes are:
P205BG-P2 – 4902506333971
P205-LP – 7898419167130
P207-LP – 7898419167185
P209-LP – 7898419167239

P200-SA Salmon / Coral PinkP200-SA

Here, I agree with the Japanese color choice for the text.  I think the red goes much better with this color than the Brazilian blue.

The IAN codes are:
P205BG-P – 4902506333964
P205-SA – 7898419167109
P207-SA – 7898419167154
P209-SA – 7898419167208

 

 

Footnote: For the English speakers, Parte Dois is Brazilian Portuguese for Part Two.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

Pentel Collection PDF

Today my wife and I went to the Dallas Pen Show.  Before we went I put together a PDF of my collection and printed it out.  I also included 3 appendices from my first 3 posts on this blog with the terminology I use, the components of the pencils and the generations.  I did some minor updates to these appendices.

Now, once I have posted about all of my pencils, I intend to put together a book about these pencils that I and others have collected, but that will take a while, and I have not finished my posts on these pencils yet.

I brought the printed book (100 pages) to show to George from https://mysupplyroom.blogspot.com, and I also showed it to Brad Dowdy of https://www.penaddict.com/ and https://nockco.com/. George showed interest in getting a copy of this, so I decided to post the PDF to my blog.

As I said, this is not a finished product, and I am in the middle of retaking pictures of all of these pencils, replacing the ones with a blue background.

Display Cases (Public) – 2018-09-28

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

Pentel Packaging

Over the years, Pentel has packaged their pencils in many different ways.  Most everybody is familiar with the different retail packages which we have covered in past blogs:
https://nimrodd.net/2017/09/11/retail-packages-in-the-usa-part-1/
https://nimrodd.net/2017/10/15/retail-packages-in-the-usa-part-2/
https://nimrodd.net/2018/02/12/p205-gilded-collection/

This post will be about other packaging that I have encountered.

P200 for Boys & GirlsD - P200BGPack - P200 for Boys & Girls 5-Pack (BG-C,S,P,P2,W) - 2096

These pencils were covered in a previous blog (https://nimrodd.net/2018/03/19/p200-for-boys-girls/).  The first of these pencils I received were shipped as individual pencils, and they went straight into my collection. The next set of these pencils I ordered were shipped to me in the package above.  The package consists of a molded plastic base for the pencils with a plastic cover with Pentel stamped on it.  It is then placed in a Pentel stamped sleeve with a light blue back board and sealed with a strong adhesive strip.

PF337 in SleeveD - PDS-1 - Professional Drafting Pencil (PF337) - 591

I recently (June 2018) purchased this pencil in the protective sleeve.  It came with an instruction sheet. This is a standard Generation 4 PF337 for Film that was manufactured between about 1978 and about 1983.  The sleeve is a brown vinyl sealed to a shorter clear front.  The front is stamped in gold with Pentel and Japan, with nothing on the back.  The insert is a generic Pentel Drop-in Load Mechanical Pencil insert.  It does not mention the P200 series specifically.

Pentel Instruction Sheet

PDS-3 Professional Drafting SetD - PDS-3 - Professional Drafting Pencils (P203, P205, P207) - 1244

This is a set of 3 pencils (P203E, P205A & P207C) that was sold as a set under the designation PDS-3.  Of the sets in this blog post, this is the only one I have seen in a Pentel catalog.  I have a copy of the pencil pages from the 1980 Pentel Catalog, and this one is on page 24.
Pentel 1980, p24

I picked this up in May 2017, but it did not have the P207C pencil with it.  The P203E & P205A pencils are both Generation 4, so I wanted to replace the missing pencil with a Gen 4 P207C.  The problem is, this is the one P207C that I do not have in my collection.  I do not know if they had too many Generation 3 pencils, so did not make a Gen 4 or why I have never found one, so at the moment, it is still without its mate in my collection.

The vinyl pouch has a flap that covers the pencils when not in use, and it is stamped with the text:
PROFESSIONAL
DRAFTING
PENCILS
P203          P205          P207
0.3mm     0.5mm      0.7mm
ITEM NO. PDS-3
Pentel

I cannot see it in the catalog, but this also came with an insert, which I have scanned below, showing the front and back.
PDS-3 Insert

PS315N in caseD - PentelCase - Single Pencil Case (PS315N) - 1355

The newest package in my collection, I have had this about 2 weeks.  This is the first version of the PS315 sliding sleeve pencil (Generation 3).  According to the page from the German 1975 catalog this pencil was available at that time, and was replaced by the Blue PS315C in about 1978.  This pencil has a little bit of damage to the text, probably from the plastic clip holding it in the case.

This case is a hard brown plastic with a white softer plastic clip to hold the pencil in place.  It comes with a clear plastic cover that has Pentel molded into the top at the pencil tip end in this picture.

Pentel Presentation SetsD - Present 1 - Pentel Presentation Set (PS523, P207, P209) - 2440D - Present 2 - Pentel Presentation Set (P205, P207, P209) - 2452IMG_0064

I purchased both of these sets in late 2016 from a dealer in the UK.  The first one I received had a PS523D (Gen 4.5), a P207C (Gen 5) and a P209G (Gen 5), along with Super Hi-Polymer HB Lead for each of the 3 sizes.  The 0.3mm lead came with 12 pieces, but the 0.7mm & 0.9mm lead both came with 15 pieces.  Also included is a ZEH-05 block eraser.

The second set came with a P205A, P207C & P209G, all Gen 5.  The included lead for each size all had 15 pieces.  Again the ZEH-05 eraser completed the set.

The bottom picture shows the closed case.

Being Generation 5 pencils, these had to have been put together starting in 1983-1984  to 1991-1993.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

Swiss Limited Edition P205 Pencils

Hello, long time no post.

To the best of my knowledge, in 2013 or 2014, Pentel Papeteriewaren AG (Pentel Switzerland) began to release limited edition P205 pencils. Up to now, they have released 3 sets of 4 pencils. Unfortunately, I found out about these in 2017 after the first set had already sold out.

Druckbleistift Metallic Limited EditionPentel P205 Metallics (Pentel CH)

This set of 4 limited edition metallic P205 pencils did not have any text on them.
The colors available look to be:

P205-MV – Metallic Violet
P205-MX – Gold
P205-MC – Metallic Blue
P205-Z – SilverP205-Z (Gen 6) - Blank - 354

I did get hold of this pencil when I ordered the other two sets below from http://www.artwaremail.ch, but that was all of the metallics they had left.
This is one of those pencils that is registered with EuroPentel in France, but was only sold in Switzerland (as far as I can tell). It is the standard Metallic Silver of other P200 pencils and the barcode is 3474372050012.

 

I am going to skip the 2015 release for the moment and look at the set that was released in 2016.

Druckbleistift Vintage/Retro Limited Edition

These pencils were all molded in white plastic, then painted and then the paint rubbed off on the edges, giving them a well used look. All of these are registered out of EuroPentel, but as far as I can tell, only sold in Switzerland. As I said, this looks to have been released in 2016, and I got mine in January 2017.

P205-RA – Vintage/Retro BlackP205-RA (Gen 6) - 327

This is a black pencil with barcode 3474372150019.

P205-RB – Vintage/Retro RedP205-RB (Gen 6) - 327

This is a red or maroon pencil with barcode 3474372150026.

P205-RC – Vintage/Retro BlueP205-RC (Gen 6) - 315

This is a light blue pencil with barcode 3474372150033.

P205-RE – Vintage/Retro BrownP205-RE (Gen 6) - 342

This is a brown pencil with barcode 3474372150040.

 

Druckbleistift Neon/Fluorescent Limited Edition

Now for the pencils that were released in Switzerland in 2015. Again, registered with EuroPentel, and sold in Switzerland (but see below). These again were all molded in white and painted in the bright colors. As I said above, I got these in 2017 when I got the Vintage/Retro set.

P205-FF – Neon/Fluorescent OrangeP205-FF (Gen 6) - 372

This is a bright Orange pencil with barcode 3474372050074.

P205-FG – Neon/Fluorescent YellowP205-FG (Gen 6) - 393

This is a bright Yellow pencil with barcode 3474372050081.

P205-FK – Neon/Fluorescent GreenP205-FK (Gen 6) - 396

This pencil is supposed to be Green, but it is more Yellow with a Green tint. For me, it is hard to tell that this is the green unless I have the yellow beside it.  The barcode is 3474372050098.

P205-FP – Neon/Fluorescent PinkP205-FP (Gen 6) - 324

This is a bright Pink pencil with barcode 3474372050104.

 

In 2017, I found out that a company in Australia (http://www.larrypost.com.au/) was selling the Neon/Fluorescent Limited Edition pencils, but not only were they selling the 4 that Switzerland sold, they were selling one more.

Update 2018-07-01

Right before I posted this blog originally, I ordered this pencil from http://www.larrypost.com.au/. Ten days later I received a package from Australia, about 2 weeks earlier than I expected.

P205-FB – Neon/Fluorescent RedP205-FB (Gen 6) - 393

This is a bright Red pencil with the barcode 3474372050067.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

P200 for BOYS & GIRLS

In November 2016, Pentel Japan released a set of P205 pencils, lead and erasers that were apparently marketed to teens.  There were 5 pencils, 3 lead containers (with Ain 0.5mm HB lead) and 3 block erasers with different bands around them.  As of this blog post, you can still see the release on the Pentel Japan website (http://www.pentel.co.jp/special/7711/ ).

P200 for Boys & Girls

To me, this seemed to be strange marketing material.  As far as I know, this was only released in Japan, but the pictures appear to be of Caucasian teens. I am not sure why they would not use Japanese teens to promote this.

I received my first set of pencils in January 2017, and they immediately went into my display cases.  A couple of months later, I found some sets in a package and purchased them as well.D - P200BGPack - P200 for Boys & Girls 5-Pack (BG-C,S,P,P2,W) - 2096

All of these pencils are the same except for the color and the sticker on them.  They all read on the side “Automatic Pencil P200 0.5     P205”.

P205BG-Cz0195 - P205BG-C (Gen 6) - 346

This pencil is Navy and the barcode is 4902506333957.

P205BG-Sz0194 - P205BG-S (Gen 6) - 350

This pencil is Serenity Blue and the barcode is 4902506333988.

P205BG-Pz0191 - P205BG-P (Gen 6) - 346

This pencil is Coral Pink and the barcode is 4902506333964.

PG205BG-P2z0192 - P205BG-P2 (Gen 6) - 346

This pencil is Baby Pink and the barcode is 4902506333971.

PG205BG-Wz0193 - P205BG-W (Gen 6) - 359

This pencil is Off-White and the barcode is 4902506333995.

 

 

EDIT 2019-12-07 – Updated the individual pictures.  The old ones were hard to tell apart for the P2 & W.

Posted in P200, Pentel

P205 Gilded Collection

In 2015, Pentel released the P205 Gilded Collection.  I believe these were released for the 45th anniversary of the P205.

There were 5 of these pencils released and the text on the body is in gold.  Also, the tip, clip and cap are also gold colored. Each of the pencils is marked on a tag with the model and color code and the barcode. These pencils all came in a Gift / Presentation Box that was unmarked.  According to the barcode, these were distributed by Pentel of America.D - Gift Box - Pentel P205 Gilded Pencil Box (XBL5) - 2019

The 5 pencils released are:

P205-XAL5 (Gen 6) - 330P205-XAL5 (884851023438) Black

P205-XBL5 (Gen 6) - 342P205-XBL5 (884851023445) Red

P205-XCL5 (Gen 6) - 351P205-XCL5 (884851023452) Blue

P205-XVL5 (Gen 6) - 342P205-XVL5 (884851023469) Violet

P205-XWL5 (Gen 6) - 336P205-XWL5 (884851023476) White

As of this blog post, these pencils are still available on eBay.