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Mold Marks and Price Stickers

I had a post that I have been looking forward to writing, as it is about a set of pencils that I had never seen before December of last year. I found, though, that there was certain information that would make more sense if I first wrote a blog specifically about it.  This is that blog.

When I first started collecting the P200 pencils and their variants, I kept track of the letters and numbers that were in the second line of the cutout. But, until this year, I had not put together the ranges of information and how it can help to determine what Generation a pencil is.

Another thing I never really paid attention to, either, was the stickers on the pencils.  For the most part, I kept track of the barcodes that were on the stickers, but I had very few of the stickers that had prices on them.  As I have collected more of them over the years, I have started to do some more investigation into these.

Mold Mark

First off, when I talk about the Mold Mark, what I am talking about is the letter (sometimes) and the number on the second line of the Cutout.  The letter (if there is one) tells what mold is used for the injection of the plastic to make the pencils.  These molds have multiple cavities that are identical.  In the case of the Pentel P200 type pencil, they have a small plate that they put in the cavities that contains the information in the Cutout, including the company, country of origin and the Mold Mark.  Each of these plates has a different number, so that if something goes bad on a specific cavity in a mold, that number can be pulled out of production.

Now, as the generations have changed, so has the range of numbers for these Mold Marks.

Generation 1, 1a & 1bCutout (Gen 1 - P207)Cutout (Gen 1b - P205)

Above are 2 different Generation 1 Cutouts.  The top is Generation 1, when they still had the “P205” molded into the pencil. For Generation 1b, they removed the “P205”.

In my experience, these pencils all have Mold Marks between “1” and “8”.

Generation 2 & 3Cutout (Gen 2-3 - P205)Cutout (Gen 2-3 - P207)

Generations 2 and 3 are combined as far as looking at the Mold Marks, because the only difference between these generations is they started printing the text on the side with Generation 3. At the top is a P205 with a Mold Mark of 17 and at the bottom is a P207 with A4.

I find that the P207 pencils all fall in a range of “A1” to “A9”, and all of the other pencils are numbered between “9” and “18”.

Generation 4Cutout (Gen 4 - P203)

With the change to Generation 4, the Mold Marks are generally in the range of “19” to “36”, with a few exceptions.  Of the 47 Generation 4 pencils I have handled over the years, 42 fall in the above range.  Five pencils (1x P533, 1x PF335, 2x PF337 & 1x PF339) are outliers with marks ranging from “3” to “9”.

Another thing I only noticed this year, is that some of these Generation 4 pencils have a dot after the Mold Mark. A little under half of the Gen 4 pencils I currently own (16 of 38) have this additional mark.  At this time, I do not know it’s significance.

Generation 4.5 & 5Cutout (Gen 5 - P207)Cutout (Gen 5 - P219)

Since the Generation 4.5 pencil is made of a Gen 5 outer body and Gen 4 inner parts, this is grouped with the Generation 5 for this.

This generation seems to have the widest range of numbers, falling (again, in my experience) between “25” and “88”.  Late in Generation 5, there were some pencils with Mold Marks starting with a “P”, and these go from “P1” to “P16”.

Generation 6Cutout (Gen 6 - P205)Cutout (Gen 6 - P207)

For pencils manufactured in Japan, all of Generation 6 have a letter at the beginning of the Mold Mark.

P203, P207 and PS315 pencils all begin with a “K” with a range of “K1” to “K16”.  All other pencils begin with a “B” and range from “B17” to “B48”.

Cutout (Gen 6 - Brazil).jpg

Pencils manufactured in Brazil, do not have a Country of Origin listed, and their Mold Mark ranges between “1” and “8”.


Price Stickers

Most current P200 pencils that come for sale individually have a barcode sticker on them.  Some of the Japanese pencils have a price included on them.

Label - P203CL-W (Gen 6)P200 for Clena series

Label - P205BG-W (Gen 6)Label - P205BG-WLF (Gen 6)P200 for Boys & Girls – Original release at top; Loft release at the bottom.  Note the change in barcodes for these two White pencils.

The above labels are all modern Generation 6 labels with a price of ¥300.

But the ones to find are the older Japanese pencils with JIS price stickers.  I have pencils with 3 different style of stickers.  These seem to change with the generations of the P200 family.

The oldest is a rounded triangle sticker with the size, then Pentel, then the price.  These stickers I have found to be on Generation 3 pencils.

These stickers appear to be on Generation 4 pencils, and at least one early Generation 4.5 P323 early Generation 4.5 and 5. Again, these stickers have the size, Pentel, then the price. They also then have “JIS S 6013”, which is the JSA (Japanese Standards Association) standard for Mechanical Pencils. Below that is “表示許可 375127”, which translates as “Display Permission 375127” or (I believe) “Permit 375127”.  The last item is the official JIS logo.

Now, most of these stickers spell out Pentel in the Latin alphabet, but I have at least one label that has it spelled out in Japanese.

Label - JIS3G4JP0500The name “ぺんてる” translates as “Penteru”, according to Google, which is why you will sometimes see Pentel spelled that way on some websites.

Last are the Generation 5 labels that you can find on most of the P320 series pencils with the italic size text written on the side.

All of these are the same basic style, with Pentel on top in red, a black band in the middle with the price, then, in a color block, which, with the exception of the 0.5, use the same color scheme as the older JIS stickers.  The 0.5 was red, but is now silver.  On this bottom color block, is the size, then the JIS logo.

The 0.9 sticker is slightly different from the other 3, with the Pentel being printed smaller, the price not being a bold font and in a slightly narrower band, then the inclusion of the permit number below the JIS logo.  I tend to think that this may be a first iteration of this label as that would make the permit number something that was carried forward and then later dropped, rather than required, not required, then required again.

The above stickers are just from my collection of P200 family pencils.  I do have other Pentel pencils with other variations of these, for example, I have a Generation 5 0.5 label that matches the style of the 0.9 above.  I also have another Generation 5 style label for a 0.4 mm pencil that does not have the JIS logo included.  I may put together another blog post about these at some point, but right now, I am still concentrating on the P200 pencils in this blog.

 

UPDATES:
2019-10-15 – Added information about the Generation 4 price sticker running into early Generation 4.5 and 5

Posted in P200, P200 Family

Limited Edition Iridescent

Back in July of this year, I was informed by another collector of a new set of limited edition pencils coming out of England.  In June, Pentel UK released the 3 pencils above and they are now available from a couple of dealers, but I have not found them on the Pentel website.

This pencil is another one of Pentel’s painted pencils, like the marble, the fluorescent and the vintage P200 pencils.  The body is molded in black plastic, then painted and sealed in 3 iridescent colors.

P205-IB Morello Mistz1006 - P205-IB (Gen 6) - 342

This is a sparkly reddish pencil with white text.
The barcode for this pencil is 3474372160018, registered out of EuroPentel.

P205-IC Night Pigmentz1007 - P205-IC (Gen 6) - 338

This is a night blue pencil with gold text.
The barcode for this pencil is 3474372160025.

P205-ID Kiwi Limez1008 - P205-ID (Gen 6) - 329

This is a greenish-gold iridescent pencil with white text.
This pencil’s barcode is 3474372160032.


On a side note, I have added a new page at the top of my blog called “For Sale”.  There, I will usually have a PDF or some other list of items I have for sale at the time.

Posted in P200, P200 Family

P200 for Boys & Girls, part 3

As I have posted before, Pentel Japan released the P200 for Boys & Girls in 2016, then in 2018, Pentel Brazil released their version of the P200 for Boys & Girls in 3 sizes.  This year, Brazil released a sixth color for their sets.

Well, also this year, Pentel Japan, working with Loft stores in Japan, released a revised version of their Boys & Girls set.  This set makes a minor change to the text on the pencil.  Instead of saying “Automatic Pencil P200 0.5  P205”, it now says “Automatic Pencil P205 0.5  P205”, as you can see in the picture above, with the new set in front, and the 2016 set in the back.

Other than that change, and the addition of the letters LF to the end of the part number, nothing else has changed.  They are still the same quality pencils that Pentel has always released.  All of these pencils still have the same price sticker (300 ¥) and same color names in Japanese, of which the following are my best translations.

P205 – NavyBlog - P200B&G 2 - Navy

P205BG-C (back) and P205BG-CLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333957
2018 Barcode: 4902506367853

P205 – Coral PinkBlog - P200B&G 2 - Pink, Coral

P205BG-P (back) and P205BG-PLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333964
2018 Barcode: 4902506367860

P205 – Baby PinkBlog - P200B&G 2 - Pink, Baby

P205BG-P2 (back) and P205BG-P2LF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333971
2018 Barcode: 4902506367877

P205 – Serenity BlueBlog - P200B&G 2 - Serenity Blue

P205BG-S (back) and P205BG-SLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333988
2018 Barcode: 4902506367884

P205 – Off-WhiteBlog - P200B&G 2 - Off-White

P205BG-W (back) and P205BG-WLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333995
2018 Barcode: 4902506367891

Posted in P200, P200 Family

P200 for BOYS & GIRLS, Parte Dois (Parte Dois)

In September 2018, I wrote a post about the P200 for Boys & Girls that Brazil released in August of that year.  Unlike the Japanese release of 2016, Brazil released this set in 3 sizes, with the same colors (albeit different color codes).

In June of this year, Pentel Brazil released a 6th color for this series.
Blog - P200B&G (Brazil) - Teal
P205-KCPB, P207-KCPB & P209-KCPB

I have been calling this Teal, but it may be more of a Turquoise color.  Either way, I don’t know what the color code stands for.

Below are images of the full sets in color code order from top to bottom: P20x-BMPB, P20x-CWPB, P20x-KCPB, P20x-LBPB, P20x-LPPB & P20x-SAPB, with the x designating the diameter.

P205 SetG - P200 for Boys & Girls (P205 - Brazil) - 1592

P207 SetG - P200 for Boys & Girls (P207 - Brazil) - 1550

P209 SetG - P200 for Boys & Girls (P209 - Brazil) - 1448

The IAN/EAN code for the new pencils are:
P205-KCPB    7898419167987
P207-KCPB    7898419167994
P209-KCPB    7898419168007

Posted in P200, P200 Family

And it Keeps Growing and Growing…

Well, as of last week, I had to expand my collection into case #6.  Up until my latest purchases of new pencils that came out around the world in June 2019 (11 of them), I could fit my primary collection in 5 cases.  The new pencils would have fit in by count (5 cases will hold 240), but I had no way to keep everything grouped together for display, so the new case.

There are currently 232 pencils in the six display cases, along with the 15 custom pencils in the stands below, plus in the Pentel Salesman Sample Case (above the Knight’s head), there are 13 pencils that have alternate labels or something that makes them just slightly different in markings from the ones in the display cases.

Unintentionally, when I was changing the layout of the pencils in these cases, it wound up that Cases 1 & 2 (bottom and middle right) contain only P205 pencils in their various generations and limited colors.  Case 3 (top right) contains all of the P203, P207 & P209 pencils, with their size specific limited colors.  Case 4 (top left) contains all of the non-P200 pencils (P30xS, P32x, P533, PF33x, PS315, PS523 & P21x).  Cases 5 & 6 contain sets that span sizes in P203, P25, P207 & P209.  Except for the first 8 (Japan) in case 5, these all came from Brazil.

Again, something I didn’t really want to do, but had to, to keep it organized was to split the P200 for Boys & Girls pencils into 2 cases, but I moved the Brazil ones to Case 5 and left the Japanese ones in Case 2.  It just so happened that they lined up on the middle shelf on the bottom row of each case.

Since I started this blog, back in 2017, my display has grown from 3 cases in March 2017, to 4 cases in June 2017 and then to 5 cases in September 2018.  Unless Pentel does something super extravagant next year for the 50th anniversary of the P205, I should have room to grow for another year or two (I hope).

Over the next few weeks, I will showcase the new pencils for 2019.

Posted in P200, P200 Family

New Pencils for Old Posts

I have some updates here for five previous blogs, where I have purchased pencils that would have gone with these blogs.  In the near future, I will go in and update the previous blogs with these newly acquired, but not necessarily new, pencils.


P205D & P205B Sharp Pencils

Originally published April 29, 2017

P205D (Gen 2) Greenz0456 - P205D (Gen 2) - 532

I purchased this pencil about 2 weeks after I published this blog.  It looks to be a very clean Generation 2 pencil, although it is possible that this is actually a Generation 3 that has had the printing removed. But I can find no traces of the printing being wiped off or scrubbed off, so I am designating it as a Generation 2.

P205B (Gen 5) Burgandyz0521 - P205B (Gen 5) - 334

I found this pencil 2 months after this blog went up.  I am not sure when this was released, but it is not in the 1985 US Catalog, but it is in the 1990-1991 US Catalog, so sometime in that 5 year period.


P207C Pencils

Originally published July 17. 2017

P207C (Gen 1) – Short Tipz0856 - P207C (Gen 1) - Short Tip - 1158

Prior to September 2018, when I acquired this pencil, I had assumed that the oldest version of the P207C was the Generation 1A, since “P205” was molded into the cutout, and they stamped the bottom with the size “0.7 m/m”.  My assumption was that they did that so that there would be no confusion about what size this really was.

Apparently, I was wrong, and they did release the P207C before they started stamping the size on the bottom. This is a very clean pencil that does not look like it ever had anything stamped on the bottom, so I have designated it as a Generation 1.

P207C (Gen 2) – Short Tipz0534 - P207C (Gen 2) - Short Tip - 574

In August 2017, again, 2 weeks after the blog, I got this pencil, which confirmed that Pentel did carry the Short Tip over to the Generation 2 pencils for the P207C, just like they did for the P205A pencils.


Japanese Older Releases & Oddities

Originally posted December 11, 2017

P325A (Gen 3) – Blankz0984 - P325A (Gen 5) - Blank - 588

Prior to this year, I had never found one of these up for sale, although I knew of other people who had one of these.  Then 2 months ago, I found it for sale in Japan, when I was also purchasing some other pencils.

Since this series of pencils does not have any printing on the sides, up until Generation 5, and the molded size is a characteristic of Generations 2 & 3, I decided to go a little conservative on the dating and call this one a Generation 3.

P320 pencils (Valters)Photo from collection of Valter dos Santos Junior of Brazil

The above picture shows a wider variety of the P32x pencils, of which I only have a few.


Pentel Stein P303S / P305S Pencils

Originally posted January 1, 2018

P305S-CW (Gen 6)z0636 - P305S-CW (Gen 6) - 346

P305S-DW (Gen 6)z0637 - P305S-DW (Gen 6) - 340

P305S-PW (Gen 6)z0638 - P305S-PW (Gen 6) - 342

I purchased the above 3 pencils in August 2018, which left me still needing the Orange version of this.

P305S-FW (Gen 6)z0907 - P305S-FW (Gen 6) - 350

In January 2019, I found a full set of these for sale and purchased them, so that I could complete my collection, and also replace the Black version that did not have a sticker, since all of these did.


Custom Pentel P205 Pencils

Originally posted October 14, 2018

As you might be able to tell, I really like the Spoke pencils, especially the Spoke 4.  My original purchase had an Anodized Aluminum grip, and my second purchase was of the Titanium (shiny) grip.

All of the Spoke 4 pencils I have purchased have the 8.3 mm size grip, with 0.5 mm lead.  All Spoke 4 pencils have an aluminum body.

Spoke 4 Blue Body / Brass Gripz0882 - SPOKE 4-QCBR - 304

I purchased this in October 2018 because I decided I wanted to try the heaviest grip.  Once I received it, I decided to change out the Tip and Cap from an extra Gilded series pencil that I had.

Spoke 4 Black Body / Stainless Steel Gripz0896 - SPOKE 4-QASS - 304

In December 2018, I decided to go ahead and get the last of the grip materials that I did not have.  I decided on the Black Body, just to give it a clean look.

Spoke 4 Purple Body / Sand-Blasted Titanium Gripz0925 - SPOKE 4-QVTB - 314

In April of this year, Brian Conti released a new color body and a new grip.  I decided I wanted both.  This is currently my go-to pencil at work.

And, just to show them all together…Spoke 4 Collection

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

What is a color? A color by any other name…

I had an issue come up this past week when I was asked to purchase some pencils for someone from another country.  He was asking me to purchase some P207 Blue Green Metallic pencils from a retail chain for him, and he would purchase the P207 Mint Green Metallics from a dealer online.

Now, I had no problem with him purchasing some of the pencils from someone else, as I did not have them, and he could not order specific colors from the retail chain, and they are local to me. What I did have a problem with, was him asking me to purchase the Blue Green Metallics, or what I had seen called Mint Green and him ALSO purchasing the Mint Green from someone else. So, I started digging into what he was actually asking for.


web-colour-code-listTo start off with, Pentel assigns color codes to their models of pencils, when there are different colors available.  For example, black is code A, so a black P205 is P205A (or sometimes P205-A), and blue is code C, so the standard blue P207 is P207C, etc.  Above is the standard color code list that you can find around the internet, and applies to most of the Pentel line, although there are more colors than this, such as code K1 (Mint Green).

The good news is that the pencils he is ordering from this other company were Light Green, so we were not ordering the same colors.  The bad news is that the code for these pencils was P207MK1, not P207MK.  I went to my pencils and pulled out my pencil from this company, and sure enough, the Light Green was P207MK1.  I thought about this for a few minutes and then went to my P209 pencils and looked at the Mint Green pencil, and it is coded P209M-KX.

This got me thinking; had I had these wrong the whole time?  And if so, where did I get the information in the first place.  So I started to dig into the database of my pencils, and found that the P205 had these pencils as well.

P205 Initial Release

So, back in 2012, Pentel released a limited run of 13 colored P205 pencils.  These pencils were released singly, and in retail packages, but in all cases, they had a sticker on them with their barcode and the item code, so I know exactly what color went with what code.
P205M-BX (Red Metallic)
P205M-CX (Blue Metallic)
P205M-DX (Green Metallic)
P205M-KX (Light Green Metallic)
P205M-K1X (Mint Green Metallic)
P205M-PX (Pink Metallic)
P205M-P1X (Rose Pink Metallic)
P205M-SX (Sky Blue Metallic)
P205M-VX (Violet Metallic)
P205M-X (Gold)
P205M-YX (Rose Gold Metallic)
P205M-Z (Silver)
P205-WX (White)

I believe that they added the X to the end of the color to differentiate the first three colors from the Marble pencils that were released in 2010 (P205-MB, P205-MC, P205-MD) and carried it through the rest of the line.

P205 Later Release

In 2016, Pentel re-released 5 of the original colors (with new item codes), plus a new color.
P205MBX (Red Metallic)
P205MCX (Blue Metallic)
P205MDX (Green Metallic)
P205MVX (Violet Metallic)
P205MZX (Silver)

P205MNX (Metallic Graphite)

P207 Initial Release

In 2016, Pentel released 8 colored P207 pencils.  In this case, they were only released in retail packaging and did not have any stickers on them, but these colors matched the colors of the P205 pencils released in 2012, so I assigned the same color codes, except for the Metallic Graphite and Silver, which I received with stickers and item codes.
P207M-KX (Light Green Metallic)
P207M-K1X (Mint Green Metallic)
P207M-PX (Pink Metallic)
P207M-P1X (Rose Pink Metallic)
P207M-SX (Sky Blue Metallic)
P205M-YX (Rose Gold Metallic)
P207MN (Metallic Graphite)
P207Z (Silver)

P209 Initial Release

In 2017, Pentel released 4 colored P209 pencils.  These were released individually, with stickers having the barcode and item code on them.  There was a limited release of retail packaging, but I have not found anyone who carries them locally.
P209M-KX (Mint Green Metallic)
P209M-NX (Metallic Graphite)
P209M-PX (Pink Metallic)
P209M-ZX (Silver)

P207 Later Release

In 2018, 4 colors were released as individual pencils (along with the P207MN & P207Z).
P207MK1 (Light Green Metallic)
P207MP1 (Rose Pink Metallic)
P207MS (Sky Blue Metallic)
P207MY (Rose Gold Metallic)

 

So, if you look at the above pencils in Bold typeface, these are the ones I am concerned about.

Light Green PencilsIMG_0905

The bottom pencil was the original 2012 release of the P205M-KX, and the top was the 2018 release of the P207MK1.  You can see that Pentel flip-flopped the color code.

Mint Green PencilsIMG_0906

They may have changed the color very slightly, but it is still the Mint Green that started out at the bottom with the K1 code for the P205 and ended with the K code for the P209.  The P207 never had a sticker for this color, but i wanted to show it in the image.

As the P205 in these colors was never reissued with these colors, and a span of 5 years (2012 to 2017) between when the color codes were made public on the pencils themselves, it looks like someone got confused at Pentel USA and assigned the wrong color code in 2017, and has stayed consistent in later releases.

It does make it a pain, as I have to go back and change the codes in my database on all of the P207 initial release pencils that I have, so they stay consistent with the later release. I never caught this, as I did not go back and check the code against the colors on later pencils vs the P205.

 

This is not the only time that Pentel has done this, although this second time was between different divisions.  In 2016, Pentel Japan released the P200 for Boys & Girls, and in 2018, Pentel Brazil released their versions.  But, Pentel Brazil changed the codes to something that I cannot make heads, nor tails out of.

Japan Code Color Brazil Code
P205BG-C Navy P205-BM
P205BG-P Coral Pink P205-SA
P205BG-P2 Baby Pink P205-LP
P205BG-S Serenity Blue P205-LB
P205BG-W Off-White P205-CW

I can figure out some of the Brazil codes, such as LP for Light Pink, LB for Light Blue, maybe Cloud White for CW, and (stretching it), Salmon for SA, but I have no clue for what BM would stand for.

 

But, in any case, after this research, I now know what I am supposed to purchase, and what my friend is purchasing for himself.

Here is a PDF of where I know the different pencils are available in the United States.  United States Availabilty of P200 pencils.pdf