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Character Pencils – Disney & Popeye

Back in December 2018, another Pentel collector I follow posted on his Instagram a picture of some P200 pencils that I had never seen.

Blog - Character Pencils - P200 Walt Disney Pencils (Japan) - Crz.riley (Instagram) 01Photo by @crz-riley

These pencils were of Disney characters Mickey Mouse (2 versions), Goofy, Donald Duck and Minnie Mouse.  In talking about these pencils and trying to place them in the timeline, we looked at a couple of things about these.  First, they did not have any size molded into the bottom of the pencils, which seems to rule out Generation 2 or Generation 3.  Next, they have the 2mm guide pipe on the tip, which led me to believe these were a Generation 1 pencils, but in the cutout, they did not say P205 JAPAN #, so we decided that these were Generation 1b pencils, which probably came out in 1972 or so.

After thinking about this a little while though, I came to the conclusion that since these originated in Japan, they were P325, not P205 pencils.

In discussing these pencils with @crz.riley, he mentioned that he had also acquired a Popeye version of one of these, and he sent me pictures of it.

Photos by @crz.riley

One thing bothered me about the pictures he sent me here is that the label in the second picture, I had always associated with later pencils.


In April, 2019, I finally received my own character pencil.

Blog - Character Pencils - z0924 - P325-WDG-MIN - Short Tip - 2069

It is a Disney Minnie Mouse pencil.  It seemed to have the same all of the same characteristics as @crz.riley’s pencils, except mine had the size molded into the bottom, so I decided that it probably fell into Generation 2.

Two months later, I received a Popeye pencil, and here is where the first of things started to change.

Blog - Character Pencils - z0954 - P325-KFP - PPL - Short-Tip - 1920

Around this time, I started to look at the numbers in the Mold Mark and see what range they fall into.  I contacted @crz.riley to find out what the marks were on the pencils he had. As I posted in the Mold Marks blog, all Generation 1 pencils fall between 1 and 8, without exception.  I also found that all of the Generation 1 pencils used a Beveled Brass Inner Body, whereas both of my pencils use a later Flat Brass Cap Inner Body, and it looks like @crz.riley’s pencils do as well.

When I checked the Mold Marks on my pencils, they were 11 (Minnie Mouse) and 25 (Popeye pleading to Olive Oyl).  @crz.riley’s pencils all fell between 19 and 28, and when I checked in my database (and listed in the Mold Marks blog), these numbers all fell in the range for Generation 4.

The last piece of information that reconfirmed my reassessment of what generation these pencils were came from another blogger who posted these.

Blog - Character Pencils - P325 - Popeye Pencils 01Photo by @Cuirassier_

These pencils had four different images – Popeye and Olive Oyl, Popeye pleading to Olive Oyl (my version), Popeye fighting Bluto and Popeye with a sea bag.  It also shows that there were 6 different color inner bodies that were used: red, pink, orange, yellow, green and blue.

@Cuirassier_ wrote on his blog (translated by Google), “It was written on the bottom of the case as a manufactured product in 1980, so it seems to have appeared briefly before and after 1980.”  This definitely pushes these pencils into Generation 4, which would make my Disney Minnie Mouse pencil a Generation 3.  It looks like they decided to use the shorter 2mm tips on these limited run pencils.  Of course, this fit nicely with the larger triangular label, as I had generally associated it with Generation 4 pencils.

Another photo he posted also clarified the model number of these pencils.

Blog - Character Pencils - P325 - Popeye Pencils 02Photo by @Cuirassier_

It looks like these pencils were model number P565 or P565ST2 for the Popeye versions.


So coming down to this, until I learn otherwise, I am calling these pencils (at least for my collection):
P565 – Walt Disney are Generations 3 & 4
P565 – Popeye are Generation 4

 


I would like to say Thanks to the following bloggers, as I could not have written this blog without their contributions.  Please go check them out:

@crz.riley on Instagram – a fellow collector of Pentel P200 and other Pentel pencils.

@Cuirassier_ on Twitter and his own blog – a Korean collector of mechanical pencils over a wide range of brands.

Posted in P200, P200 Family

Graph Rock PG200 Pencils

On September 27, 2019, the first day of the Rock in Rio Music Festival, Pentel Brazil announced a new series of pencils, the PG200 Graph Rock.  A combination of Pentel GraphGear and P200 Sharp, this pencil takes the tried and true body and insides of the P200 and adds a tip inspired by the Graph 600, Graph 1000 & GraphGear 800.

Blog - Graph Rock - Announcement 02

“Developed especially for Brazil, with a design inspired by Rock and the music festivals that celebrate this sound.
Graph Rock is a unique, lightweight product that blends Graphgear and Sharp P200, our most famous mechanical pencil.
Its technology is Japanese and the same as the P200 Sharp, but the stylized tip gives a special touch to this product.
The glove measures 4mm, ideal for technical use, but also conquers those who use the mechanical pencil in everyday life.
Available in 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 and 0.9 mm gauges, 12-pack units or blister packs.
This month happens in Brazil Rock in Rio and could not have a better date for this release.
So let’s rock and Happy Sales!”

The only true difference between this series of pencils and the regular P200 pencils is the tip.Blog - Graph Rock Tips

It is hard to tell from this shot, but the Graph Rock tip is 0.3 mm longer than the standard tip.  The sleeve itself is the same length on both.

The color of the pencils is the same as the Metallic Graphite or Anthracite.  The part number is taking the standard P200 number and adding the “G”, for Graph, after the “P” in the number.  Next the color codes start with an “R”, I assume for Rock, then the color code matching the text.

PG203-RBBlog - Graph Rock - PG203-RB

This is the one pencil that they messed up on the part number.  The text is brown, matching the brown body of a P203E, but for some reason, they did not use the “E”, but chose “B”, I assume because in English it starts with a “B”?

The barcode for the item is 7898419167741.

PG205-RWBlog - Graph Rock - PG205-RW

In general, they used the color of the P200 body for the text color on these pencils, but obviously, black would not show up to well on a dark gray body, so they used white on this pencil, which is and should be “W”.

The barcode for this item is 7898419167758.

PG207-RCBlog - Graph Rock - PG207-RC

This one is correctly colored and labeled.

The barcode for this item is 7898419167765.

PG209-RGBlog - Graph Rock - PG209-RG

The barcode for this item is 7898419167772.

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I posted about getting these pencils in on Reddit and several people asked about what these tips would look like on the Spoke pencils, so I decided to answer their question with pictures.

Spoke with Rock Tips

The top two are Spoke 4 pencils and the bottom two are Spoke 5 pencils.  In both cases, I showed them with the standard P205 tip on top and the PG205 tip on the bottom.

I think they look pretty good.

Posted in P200, P200 Family

Mold Marks and Price Stickers

I had a post that I have been looking forward to writing, as it is about a set of pencils that I had never seen before December of last year. I found, though, that there was certain information that would make more sense if I first wrote a blog specifically about it.  This is that blog.

When I first started collecting the P200 pencils and their variants, I kept track of the letters and numbers that were in the second line of the cutout. But, until this year, I had not put together the ranges of information and how it can help to determine what Generation a pencil is.

Another thing I never really paid attention to, either, was the stickers on the pencils.  For the most part, I kept track of the barcodes that were on the stickers, but I had very few of the stickers that had prices on them.  As I have collected more of them over the years, I have started to do some more investigation into these.

Mold Mark

First off, when I talk about the Mold Mark, what I am talking about is the letter (sometimes) and the number on the second line of the Cutout.  The letter (if there is one) tells what mold is used for the injection of the plastic to make the pencils.  These molds have multiple cavities that are identical.  In the case of the Pentel P200 type pencil, they have a small plate that they put in the cavities that contains the information in the Cutout, including the company, country of origin and the Mold Mark.  Each of these plates has a different number, so that if something goes bad on a specific cavity in a mold, that number can be pulled out of production.

Now, as the generations have changed, so has the range of numbers for these Mold Marks.

Generation 1, 1a & 1bCutout (Gen 1 - P207)Cutout (Gen 1b - P205)

Above are 2 different Generation 1 Cutouts.  The top is Generation 1, when they still had the “P205” molded into the pencil. For Generation 1b, they removed the “P205”.

In my experience, these pencils all have Mold Marks between “1” and “8”.

Generation 2 & 3Cutout (Gen 2-3 - P205)Cutout (Gen 2-3 - P207)

Generations 2 and 3 are combined as far as looking at the Mold Marks, because the only difference between these generations is they started printing the text on the side with Generation 3. At the top is a P205 with a Mold Mark of 17 and at the bottom is a P207 with A4.

I find that the P207 pencils all fall in a range of “A1” to “A9”, and all of the other pencils are numbered between “9” and “18”.

Generation 4Cutout (Gen 4 - P203)

With the change to Generation 4, the Mold Marks are generally in the range of “19” to “36”, with a few exceptions.  Of the 47 Generation 4 pencils I have handled over the years, 42 fall in the above range.  Five pencils (1x P533, 1x PF335, 2x PF337 & 1x PF339) are outliers with marks ranging from “3” to “9”.

Another thing I only noticed this year, is that some of these Generation 4 pencils have a dot after the Mold Mark. A little under half of the Gen 4 pencils I currently own (16 of 38) have this additional mark.  At this time, I do not know it’s significance.

Generation 4.5 & 5Cutout (Gen 5 - P207)Cutout (Gen 5 - P219)

Since the Generation 4.5 pencil is made of a Gen 5 outer body and Gen 4 inner parts, this is grouped with the Generation 5 for this.

This generation seems to have the widest range of numbers, falling (again, in my experience) between “25” and “88”.  Late in Generation 5, there were some pencils with Mold Marks starting with a “P”, and these go from “P1” to “P16”.

Generation 6Cutout (Gen 6 - P205)Cutout (Gen 6 - P207)

For pencils manufactured in Japan, all of Generation 6 have a letter at the beginning of the Mold Mark.

P203, P207 and PS315 pencils all begin with a “K” with a range of “K1” to “K16”.  All other pencils begin with a “B” and range from “B17” to “B48”.

Cutout (Gen 6 - Brazil).jpg

Pencils manufactured in Brazil, do not have a Country of Origin listed, and their Mold Mark ranges between “1” and “8”.


Price Stickers

Most current P200 pencils that come for sale individually have a barcode sticker on them.  Some of the Japanese pencils have a price included on them.

Label - P203CL-W (Gen 6)P200 for Clena series

Label - P205BG-W (Gen 6)Label - P205BG-WLF (Gen 6)P200 for Boys & Girls – Original release at top; Loft release at the bottom.  Note the change in barcodes for these two White pencils.

The above labels are all modern Generation 6 labels with a price of ¥300.

But the ones to find are the older Japanese pencils with JIS price stickers.  I have pencils with 3 different style of stickers.  These seem to change with the generations of the P200 family.

The oldest is a rounded triangle sticker with the size, then Pentel, then the price.  These stickers I have found to be on Generation 3 pencils.

These stickers appear to be on Generation 4 pencils, and at least one early Generation 4.5 P323 early Generation 4.5 and 5. Again, these stickers have the size, Pentel, then the price. They also then have “JIS S 6013”, which is the JSA (Japanese Standards Association) standard for Mechanical Pencils. Below that is “表示許可 375127”, which translates as “Display Permission 375127” or (I believe) “Permit 375127”.  The last item is the official JIS logo.

Now, most of these stickers spell out Pentel in the Latin alphabet, but I have at least one label that has it spelled out in Japanese.

Label - JIS3G4JP0500The name “ぺんてる” translates as “Penteru”, according to Google, which is why you will sometimes see Pentel spelled that way on some websites.

Last are the Generation 5 labels that you can find on most of the P320 series pencils with the italic size text written on the side.

All of these are the same basic style, with Pentel on top in red, a black band in the middle with the price, then, in a color block, which, with the exception of the 0.5, use the same color scheme as the older JIS stickers.  The 0.5 was red, but is now silver.  On this bottom color block, is the size, then the JIS logo.

The 0.9 sticker is slightly different from the other 3, with the Pentel being printed smaller, the price not being a bold font and in a slightly narrower band, then the inclusion of the permit number below the JIS logo.  I tend to think that this may be a first iteration of this label as that would make the permit number something that was carried forward and then later dropped, rather than required, not required, then required again.

The above stickers are just from my collection of P200 family pencils.  I do have other Pentel pencils with other variations of these, for example, I have a Generation 5 0.5 label that matches the style of the 0.9 above.  I also have another Generation 5 style label for a 0.4 mm pencil that does not have the JIS logo included.  I may put together another blog post about these at some point, but right now, I am still concentrating on the P200 pencils in this blog.

 

UPDATES:
2019-10-15 – Added information about the Generation 4 price sticker running into early Generation 4.5 and 5

Posted in P200, P200 Family

Limited Edition Iridescent

Back in July of this year, I was informed by another collector of a new set of limited edition pencils coming out of England.  In June, Pentel UK released the 3 pencils above and they are now available from a couple of dealers, but I have not found them on the Pentel website.

This pencil is another one of Pentel’s painted pencils, like the marble, the fluorescent and the vintage P200 pencils.  The body is molded in black plastic, then painted and sealed in 3 iridescent colors.

P205-IB Morello Mistz1006 - P205-IB (Gen 6) - 342

This is a sparkly reddish pencil with white text.
The barcode for this pencil is 3474372160018, registered out of EuroPentel.

P205-IC Night Pigmentz1007 - P205-IC (Gen 6) - 338

This is a night blue pencil with gold text.
The barcode for this pencil is 3474372160025.

P205-ID Kiwi Limez1008 - P205-ID (Gen 6) - 329

This is a greenish-gold iridescent pencil with white text.
This pencil’s barcode is 3474372160032.


On a side note, I have added a new page at the top of my blog called “For Sale”.  There, I will usually have a PDF or some other list of items I have for sale at the time.

Posted in P200, P200 Family

P200 for Boys & Girls, part 3

As I have posted before, Pentel Japan released the P200 for Boys & Girls in 2016, then in 2018, Pentel Brazil released their version of the P200 for Boys & Girls in 3 sizes.  This year, Brazil released a sixth color for their sets.

Well, also this year, Pentel Japan, working with Loft stores in Japan, released a revised version of their Boys & Girls set.  This set makes a minor change to the text on the pencil.  Instead of saying “Automatic Pencil P200 0.5  P205”, it now says “Automatic Pencil P205 0.5  P205”, as you can see in the picture above, with the new set in front, and the 2016 set in the back.

Other than that change, and the addition of the letters LF to the end of the part number, nothing else has changed.  They are still the same quality pencils that Pentel has always released.  All of these pencils still have the same price sticker (300 ¥) and same color names in Japanese, of which the following are my best translations.

P205 – NavyBlog - P200B&G 2 - Navy

P205BG-C (back) and P205BG-CLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333957
2018 Barcode: 4902506367853

P205 – Coral PinkBlog - P200B&G 2 - Pink, Coral

P205BG-P (back) and P205BG-PLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333964
2018 Barcode: 4902506367860

P205 – Baby PinkBlog - P200B&G 2 - Pink, Baby

P205BG-P2 (back) and P205BG-P2LF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333971
2018 Barcode: 4902506367877

P205 – Serenity BlueBlog - P200B&G 2 - Serenity Blue

P205BG-S (back) and P205BG-SLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333988
2018 Barcode: 4902506367884

P205 – Off-WhiteBlog - P200B&G 2 - Off-White

P205BG-W (back) and P205BG-WLF (front)
2016 Barcode: 4902506333995
2018 Barcode: 4902506367891

Posted in P200, P200 Family

P200 for BOYS & GIRLS, Parte Dois (Parte Dois)

In September 2018, I wrote a post about the P200 for Boys & Girls that Brazil released in August of that year.  Unlike the Japanese release of 2016, Brazil released this set in 3 sizes, with the same colors (albeit different color codes).

In June of this year, Pentel Brazil released a 6th color for this series.
Blog - P200B&G (Brazil) - Teal
P205-KCPB, P207-KCPB & P209-KCPB

I have been calling this Teal, but it may be more of a Turquoise color.  Either way, I don’t know what the color code stands for.

Below are images of the full sets in color code order from top to bottom: P20x-BMPB, P20x-CWPB, P20x-KCPB, P20x-LBPB, P20x-LPPB & P20x-SAPB, with the x designating the diameter.

P205 SetG - P200 for Boys & Girls (P205 - Brazil) - 1592

P207 SetG - P200 for Boys & Girls (P207 - Brazil) - 1550

P209 SetG - P200 for Boys & Girls (P209 - Brazil) - 1448

The IAN/EAN code for the new pencils are:
P205-KCPB    7898419167987
P207-KCPB    7898419167994
P209-KCPB    7898419168007

Posted in P200, P200 Family

And it Keeps Growing and Growing…

Well, as of last week, I had to expand my collection into case #6.  Up until my latest purchases of new pencils that came out around the world in June 2019 (11 of them), I could fit my primary collection in 5 cases.  The new pencils would have fit in by count (5 cases will hold 240), but I had no way to keep everything grouped together for display, so the new case.

There are currently 232 pencils in the six display cases, along with the 15 custom pencils in the stands below, plus in the Pentel Salesman Sample Case (above the Knight’s head), there are 13 pencils that have alternate labels or something that makes them just slightly different in markings from the ones in the display cases.

Unintentionally, when I was changing the layout of the pencils in these cases, it wound up that Cases 1 & 2 (bottom and middle right) contain only P205 pencils in their various generations and limited colors.  Case 3 (top right) contains all of the P203, P207 & P209 pencils, with their size specific limited colors.  Case 4 (top left) contains all of the non-P200 pencils (P30xS, P32x, P533, PF33x, PS315, PS523 & P21x).  Cases 5 & 6 contain sets that span sizes in P203, P25, P207 & P209.  Except for the first 8 (Japan) in case 5, these all came from Brazil.

Again, something I didn’t really want to do, but had to, to keep it organized was to split the P200 for Boys & Girls pencils into 2 cases, but I moved the Brazil ones to Case 5 and left the Japanese ones in Case 2.  It just so happened that they lined up on the middle shelf on the bottom row of each case.

Since I started this blog, back in 2017, my display has grown from 3 cases in March 2017, to 4 cases in June 2017 and then to 5 cases in September 2018.  Unless Pentel does something super extravagant next year for the 50th anniversary of the P205, I should have room to grow for another year or two (I hope).

Over the next few weeks, I will showcase the new pencils for 2019.