Posted in P200, P200 Family

New Pencils for Old Posts

I have some updates here for five previous blogs, where I have purchased pencils that would have gone with these blogs.  In the near future, I will go in and update the previous blogs with these newly acquired, but not necessarily new, pencils.


P205D & P205B Sharp Pencils

Originally published April 29, 2017

P205D (Gen 2) Greenz0456 - P205D (Gen 2) - 532

I purchased this pencil about 2 weeks after I published this blog.  It looks to be a very clean Generation 2 pencil, although it is possible that this is actually a Generation 3 that has had the printing removed. But I can find no traces of the printing being wiped off or scrubbed off, so I am designating it as a Generation 2.

P205B (Gen 5) Burgandyz0521 - P205B (Gen 5) - 334

I found this pencil 2 months after this blog went up.  I am not sure when this was released, but it is not in the 1985 US Catalog, but it is in the 1990-1991 US Catalog, so sometime in that 5 year period.


P207C Pencils

Originally published July 17. 2017

P207C (Gen 1) – Short Tipz0856 - P207C (Gen 1) - Short Tip - 1158

Prior to September 2018, when I acquired this pencil, I had assumed that the oldest version of the P207C was the Generation 1A, since “P205” was molded into the cutout, and they stamped the bottom with the size “0.7 m/m”.  My assumption was that they did that so that there would be no confusion about what size this really was.

Apparently, I was wrong, and they did release the P207C before they started stamping the size on the bottom. This is a very clean pencil that does not look like it ever had anything stamped on the bottom, so I have designated it as a Generation 1.

P207C (Gen 2) – Short Tipz0534 - P207C (Gen 2) - Short Tip - 574

In August 2017, again, 2 weeks after the blog, I got this pencil, which confirmed that Pentel did carry the Short Tip over to the Generation 2 pencils for the P207C, just like they did for the P205A pencils.


Japanese Older Releases & Oddities

Originally posted December 11, 2017

P325A (Gen 3) – Blankz0984 - P325A (Gen 5) - Blank - 588

Prior to this year, I had never found one of these up for sale, although I knew of other people who had one of these.  Then 2 months ago, I found it for sale in Japan, when I was also purchasing some other pencils.

Since this series of pencils does not have any printing on the sides, up until Generation 5, and the molded size is a characteristic of Generations 2 & 3, I decided to go a little conservative on the dating and call this one a Generation 3.

P320 pencils (Valters)Photo from collection of Valter dos Santos Junior of Brazil

The above picture shows a wider variety of the P32x pencils, of which I only have a few.


Pentel Stein P303S / P305S Pencils

Originally posted January 1, 2018

P305S-CW (Gen 6)z0636 - P305S-CW (Gen 6) - 346

P305S-DW (Gen 6)z0637 - P305S-DW (Gen 6) - 340

P305S-PW (Gen 6)z0638 - P305S-PW (Gen 6) - 342

I purchased the above 3 pencils in August 2018, which left me still needing the Orange version of this.

P305S-FW (Gen 6)z0907 - P305S-FW (Gen 6) - 350

In January 2019, I found a full set of these for sale and purchased them, so that I could complete my collection, and also replace the Black version that did not have a sticker, since all of these did.


Custom Pentel P205 Pencils

Originally posted October 14, 2018

As you might be able to tell, I really like the Spoke pencils, especially the Spoke 4.  My original purchase had an Anodized Aluminum grip, and my second purchase was of the Titanium (shiny) grip.

All of the Spoke 4 pencils I have purchased have the 8.3 mm size grip, with 0.5 mm lead.  All Spoke 4 pencils have an aluminum body.

Spoke 4 Blue Body / Brass Gripz0882 - SPOKE 4-QCBR - 304

I purchased this in October 2018 because I decided I wanted to try the heaviest grip.  Once I received it, I decided to change out the Tip and Cap from an extra Gilded series pencil that I had.

Spoke 4 Black Body / Stainless Steel Gripz0896 - SPOKE 4-QASS - 304

In December 2018, I decided to go ahead and get the last of the grip materials that I did not have.  I decided on the Black Body, just to give it a clean look.

Spoke 4 Purple Body / Sand-Blasted Titanium Gripz0925 - SPOKE 4-QVTB - 314

In April of this year, Brian Conti released a new color body and a new grip.  I decided I wanted both.  This is currently my go-to pencil at work.

And, just to show them all together…Spoke 4 Collection

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

Pentel Packaging

Over the years, Pentel has packaged their pencils in many different ways.  Most everybody is familiar with the different retail packages which we have covered in past blogs:
https://nimrodd.net/2017/09/11/retail-packages-in-the-usa-part-1/
https://nimrodd.net/2017/10/15/retail-packages-in-the-usa-part-2/
https://nimrodd.net/2018/02/12/p205-gilded-collection/

This post will be about other packaging that I have encountered.

P200 for Boys & GirlsD - P200BGPack - P200 for Boys & Girls 5-Pack (BG-C,S,P,P2,W) - 2096

These pencils were covered in a previous blog (https://nimrodd.net/2018/03/19/p200-for-boys-girls/).  The first of these pencils I received were shipped as individual pencils, and they went straight into my collection. The next set of these pencils I ordered were shipped to me in the package above.  The package consists of a molded plastic base for the pencils with a plastic cover with Pentel stamped on it.  It is then placed in a Pentel stamped sleeve with a light blue back board and sealed with a strong adhesive strip.

PF337 in SleeveD - PDS-1 - Professional Drafting Pencil (PF337) - 591

I recently (June 2018) purchased this pencil in the protective sleeve.  It came with an instruction sheet. This is a standard Generation 4 PF337 for Film that was manufactured between about 1978 and about 1983.  The sleeve is a brown vinyl sealed to a shorter clear front.  The front is stamped in gold with Pentel and Japan, with nothing on the back.  The insert is a generic Pentel Drop-in Load Mechanical Pencil insert.  It does not mention the P200 series specifically.

Pentel Instruction Sheet

PDS-3 Professional Drafting SetD - PDS-3 - Professional Drafting Pencils (P203, P205, P207) - 1244

This is a set of 3 pencils (P203E, P205A & P207C) that was sold as a set under the designation PDS-3.  Of the sets in this blog post, this is the only one I have seen in a Pentel catalog.  I have a copy of the pencil pages from the 1980 Pentel Catalog, and this one is on page 24.
Pentel 1980, p24

I picked this up in May 2017, but it did not have the P207C pencil with it.  The P203E & P205A pencils are both Generation 4, so I wanted to replace the missing pencil with a Gen 4 P207C.  The problem is, this is the one P207C that I do not have in my collection.  I do not know if they had too many Generation 3 pencils, so did not make a Gen 4 or why I have never found one, so at the moment, it is still without its mate in my collection.

The vinyl pouch has a flap that covers the pencils when not in use, and it is stamped with the text:
PROFESSIONAL
DRAFTING
PENCILS
P203          P205          P207
0.3mm     0.5mm      0.7mm
ITEM NO. PDS-3
Pentel

I cannot see it in the catalog, but this also came with an insert, which I have scanned below, showing the front and back.
PDS-3 Insert

PS315N in caseD - PentelCase - Single Pencil Case (PS315N) - 1355

The newest package in my collection, I have had this about 2 weeks.  This is the first version of the PS315 sliding sleeve pencil (Generation 3).  According to the page from the German 1975 catalog this pencil was available at that time, and was replaced by the Blue PS315C in about 1978.  This pencil has a little bit of damage to the text, probably from the plastic clip holding it in the case.

This case is a hard brown plastic with a white softer plastic clip to hold the pencil in place.  It comes with a clear plastic cover that has Pentel molded into the top at the pencil tip end in this picture.

Pentel Presentation SetsD - Present 1 - Pentel Presentation Set (PS523, P207, P209) - 2440D - Present 2 - Pentel Presentation Set (P205, P207, P209) - 2452IMG_0064

I purchased both of these sets in late 2016 from a dealer in the UK.  The first one I received had a PS523D (Gen 4.5), a P207C (Gen 5) and a P209G (Gen 5), along with Super Hi-Polymer HB Lead for each of the 3 sizes.  The 0.3mm lead came with 12 pieces, but the 0.7mm & 0.9mm lead both came with 15 pieces.  Also included is a ZEH-05 block eraser.

The second set came with a P205A, P207C & P209G, all Gen 5.  The included lead for each size all had 15 pieces.  Again the ZEH-05 eraser completed the set.

The bottom picture shows the closed case.

Being Generation 5 pencils, these had to have been put together starting in 1983-1984  to 1991-1993.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

P207C Pencils

Here I will write about the Pentel P207C Blue 0.7mm pencil. This pencil was one of the key pencils in identifying the different generations of pencils in my collection.

Generation 1AP207C (Gen 1a) - Short Tip - 546

This was the first pencil I received with the size printed on the bottom.  It is also, the only Generation 1A pencil that I own, and I have had it since 2012.

When Pentel first released the P205A Black pencil in 1970, they molded the model number (P205) into the cutout.  Apparently when they decided to release the P207 pencil, they did not get the cutout changed out and used the same molds with the blue plastic.  Well, this caused a minor problem, since the last digit of the model is the size of the lead, and since the “P205” was still molded in, they had to do something to identify this as a 0.7mm pencil, so they printed the size on the bottom of the pencil, opposite the cutout.

Another difference on this pencil from the modern versions, is that the tip has a 2mm guide pipe, instead of the modern 4mm pipe.

In pencils of Generation 1 to 4, the cap stop (what keeps the cap from pushing the eraser into the Inner Body) was inside the cap, where in Generations 5 and later, they molded the stop as a lip on the Inner Body.  Most of these pencils had a metal piece in the cap (actually the same piece as around the eraser), but this early pencil had a plastic piece inserted as the cap stop.

Generation 1B
P207C (Gen 1b) - Short Tip - 591

At some point they got the cutout changed, removing the “P205”.  They still needed some way to identify the size of the pencil, so they left the size printed on the bottom.

But, as you can see in the picture above, this solution had a problem, in that the printed size would start to get worn off.

This pencil still has the 2mm guide pipe, but the cap stop is now the metal insert.

The reason I chose to make Generations 1A & 1B as sub-category of Generation 1, is that the changes were so minor (adding printed size), and changing a minor plate (removing the P205) in the mold, but not substantially changing it, like they do below.

Generation 2
P207C (Gen 2) - 513

The solution to the printed size getting worn off, would be to mold the size into the body of the pencil.  This necessitated every pencil to now have it’s own mold, where before they could use the same molds.

They also switched to the now standard 4mm guide pipe for the tip.

This pencil and the Generation 1B above were acquired in February 2017 off eBay.

Generation 3
P207C (Gen 3) - 430

I purchased this pencil along with the Generation 1A pencil from Andrey’s Pencils on eBay back in 2012.

At this point, Pentel decided to get the model number back on the pencil, so they started printing the size, Pentel and the model on the side next to the clip.  I suspect that they also changed the ink they used, as I don’t find as many with really worn text (percentage wise) as I did for Generations 1A & 1B.  Another factor may be the protection of the clip.  Being that close to the clip’s band, it holds it off the body a little bit better.

Generation 5
P207C (Gen 5) - 327

Again, picked up off eBay, I got this in October 2016.

It is the first of the “modern” P200 generations, where they made changes to streamline costs and assembly time.

Generation 6P207C (Gen 6) - 321

I don’t remember where I got this pencil, but according to my records it was back in 2009, when I was still collecting mechanical pencils in general, before focusing on the Pentel Sharp.

It is the standard P207 that you can still buy in the stores today, with the letter in the Mark in the Cutout, and shipping with the white Z2-1 eraser.

 

And Now For Something A Little Different
P207C (Gen xx) - Suspect - 782

I purchased this pencil on eBay in 2016.  I cannot remember specifically why I purchased it, but when I got it, everything about it was wrong.

First off, at a glance, it looks like a Generation 5 or 6 pencil from the text printed (does not have the “/” in the mm) on the side, but, it has the molded size on the bottom, which ended with Generation 3, so I thought that someone had taken an old pencil and printed the new style text, but on closer inspection, even this fell apart.

When I took the pencil apart, I saw that the Inner Body does not have the Brass spring rest, and is actually a Generation 5 Inner Body, with the molded cap stop.

On closer inspection of the Outer Body, beyond just the molded size, I saw that it had the letter A in the Mark (in the cutout), which was characteristic of the Generations 2 & 3 (and possibly 4, but I don’t have one to confirm this) P207s. BUT, on the inside of the Outer Body, I found that it has the 12 point retainer of Generations 5 & 6.

So, what it looks like is someone got hold of a Generation 2 or 3 outer mold for the body and an Generation 5 or 6 inner mold for the body and used them to make their own copy of the P207 and printed the modern text on it, then inserted the modern inner mechanism.

I keep this pencil in my collection, just as a reminder that not everything is always as it is represented.