Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

P200 for BOYS & GIRLS

In November 2016, Pentel Japan released a set of P205 pencils, lead and erasers that were apparently marketed to teens.  There were 5 pencils, 3 lead containers (with Ain 0.5mm HB lead) and 3 block erasers with different bands around them.  As of this blog post, you can still see the release on the Pentel Japan website (http://www.pentel.co.jp/special/7711/ ).

P200 for Boys & Girls

To me, this seemed to be strange marketing material.  As far as I know, this was only released in Japan, but the pictures appear to be of Caucasian teens. I am not sure why they would not use Japanese teens to promote this.

I received my first set of pencils in January 2017, and they immediately went into my display cases.  A couple of months later, I found some sets in a package and purchased them as well.D - P200BGPack - P200 for Boys & Girls 5-Pack (BG-C,S,P,P2,W) - 2096

All of these pencils are the same except for the color and the sticker on them.  They all read on the side “Automatic Pencil P200 0.5     P205”.

P205BG-CP205BG-C (Gen 6) - 321

This pencil is Navy and the barcode is 4902506333957.

P205BG-SP205BG-S (Gen 6) - 363

This pencil is Serenity Blue and the barcode is 4902506333988.

P205BG-PP205BG-P (Gen 6) - 336

This pencil is Coral Pink and the barcode is 4902506333964.

PG205BG-P2P205BG-P2 (Gen 6) - 324

This pencil is Baby Pink and the barcode is 4902506333971.

PG205BG-WP205BG-W (Gen 6) - 297

This pencil is Off-White and the barcode is 4902506333995.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

Japanese Older Releases & Oddities

This post is going to be about the P320 series and another couple of oddball numbered pencils.

First I will go over the more common P320 pencils (although they are not that easy to find).  Then I will go over some other P320 pencils and another couple numbered P533.

P323E Generation 4.5 (Italic)P323E (Gen 4.5) - Italic Price - 861

This is the pencil you see when you look up a P323.  It is the standard brown (for 0.3 mm) and the text is the short text (size then model) that is seen on other pencils, except the size is in italic.

I am not sure when, nor from whom I actually acquired this pencil, as I do not find the receipt, but it was probably around 2010.  I do know that it was the first of the pencils in this blog that I got.

P325A Generation 5 (Italic)P325A (Gen 5) - Italic Price - 342

Again this is the pencil you see when you look up this model of pencil.  This pencil I picked up in May of this year along with the P327C.  I picked it up on eBay from a seller, who apparently found several sets of these, as he keeps posting a few of them every month or so.

P327C Generation 5 (Italic)P327C (Gen 5) - Italic Price - 354

This is actually the second of these pencils that I acquired.  The first one was in excellent condition, but did not have the price sticker on it, so when this one showed up on eBay, I bought it (along with the above P325A).

P329G Generation 5 (Italic)P329G (Gen 5) - Italic Price - 357

This completes the set of P320 pencils that are commonly seen when looking these up on the internet.  I never did see this come up on eBay, but another collector asked the above seller if he had any of these and he found a couple and I ended up purchasing this one in June of this year.

P323E Generation 4 (non-Italic)P323E (Gen 4) - Price - 354

This pencil and the following one that I purchased are the only times I have ever seen this style of P323.  This is an older pencil than the above series, as it uses the “/” in the size.  Also, it uses the full standard text with size, Pentel and model, as opposed to the short version (size & model) above.  Also if you see, it has a different style (rounded triangle) price sticker than was used on the pencils above (rectangle).  I am not sure if this has any significance, as the price is the same on all of the pencils in this blog, ¥500.

I purchased this and the one below in September of last year from an eBay seller I have purchased many pencils from.

P323E Generation 4.5 (non-Italic)P323E (Gen 4.5) - Price - 903

This is the next generation of the above pencil, where Pentel dropped the “/” from the size along with other changes to the outer body, but still apparently had stock of the previous generation inner body.

P327A Generation 4.5 (Blank)P327A (Gen 4.5) - Blank Price - 864

I identify this pencil as a P327A because that is what I was told that it was by the seller I mentioned above that I have done business with for years (I purchased this in October 2014). The only identifying information is that it is a 0.7mm tip and inner body, and the sticker on it identifies it as a 0.7mm.

There is nothing to identify it specifically as a P327, other than the sellers information, so it was kind of an ambiguous P200 pencil. In doing other research, I came across a sold listing on eBay for a similar P325A pencil that had no other marking other than the triangular 0.5mm price sticker, and it was from a different seller in a different country.

So with two different sources identifying this style of P320 series, I decided to use that designation for my pencil.

From the pencils above, it looks like there may have been as many as 3 different styles of  the P320 series pencils manufactured over the years.

P533A Generation 4 (Short Text)P533A (Gen 4) - Short Text Price - 324

When I saw these pencils online (and purchased it from the seller mentioned in the last 3 pencils), it was the first, and only, time I have seen this model of pencil. [While writing this post, I decided to look to see if I could find any other information on this pencil, and I found a closed auction on Yahoo Japan for one of these pencils.]

This pencil uses a black body with the modified short text with the bullet, “•”, between the size (using the “/”) and model. It also includes a smaller triangular price sticker.

I purchased this pencil in September 2016.

P533A Generation 4 (Standard Text)P533A (Gen 4) - Price - 333

The only difference between this and the prior pencil is the use of the standard text (size, Pentel & model) and the larger triangular price sticker.

I am almost ashamed to admit that when these two pencils were posted for sale online, I did not immediately pick up on the difference between the two, so I only purchased the one above.  Once I received it, I looked back at the auction for this one, and immediately kicked myself for not ordering it, since at that point it was obvious what the differences were.

In my eBay search, I do look for other sizes of these pencils (P535, P537 & P539), but I do not expect to find them, as this appears to have been a one-off. The 535 designation is used on the Pentel PS535, which is a completely different type of pencil from the P200 family of pencils, and I do not expect that Pentel would make both a P535 and a PS535, if only to avoid confusion.  So this will go down as one of Pentel’s pencil oddities.

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I try to post this blog every two weeks on Monday, but since the next day this would post is on Christmas day, I am going to delay it until the following Monday, January 1, when I will have two posts going up that day, one of which is a side post related to the Pentel P200 family of pencils.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

Retail Packages in the USA, part 1

As part of my collection, I also collect the retail packages, at least from the United States, and a few others.  In this post, I will talk about the P205 and P209 packages, as well as one P207.  In the next post, I will cover the large quantity of P207 packages.

Standard Retail Packages

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The above packages are the current (as of 2017) style of packaging for the P205A (P205BP2F-K6), P207C (P207BP2F-K6) & P209G (P209BP2F-K6) pencils.  At this time you can go to just about any store that sells Office Supplies and find one of these packages.

P205 Retail Packages

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In 2015, this package (P205BP2F) was released for the 50th anniversary of Pentel America.  This package has the same barcode as the above 2-pack of P205A pencils and came with 2 of those, plus the “FREE Limited Edition Pencil”, a gold colored P205 with black text.  Since it was different from all other P205 pencils, I decided to designate it (at least for my purposes) the P205M-X50 (just tacking on the 50 to mark it as different from the P205M-X gold pencil with white text.

Unfortunately, I only managed to get hold of a couple of these pencils, and they are no longer available in stores.

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Released in 2016, these two packages (P205MBP3M and P205MBP3M1) are still available, at least on eBay.  I have never found them in stores, at least not in my area of the US.

The left package contains two P205MNX Metallic Graphite (or sometimes called Antracite) with white text, plus a P205MZX Silver with black text.  The nice thing about these packaged pencils, is that they are also individually labeled with the model number and a barcode, which makes positive identification easy.

The right package contains one each of the P205MBX Red, P205MCX Blue and P205MDX Green pencils, all with white text.  Again, each of these pencils is individually labeled.  What is interesting, is that each of these three pencils were first released in 2012, with a slightly different model number (P205M-BX, P205M-CX and P205M-DX) and different barcodes.  Everything else appears to be exactly the same.

P209 Retail Packages

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In the last two weeks, I have found out about a new line of P209 retail packages.  From what I can determine, there are 4 different pencils in the same packaging (P209MBPM).  The above is one of the images I found on eBay.  I know earlier this year, Pentel America released 4 new P209 Metallic pencils (P209M-KX, P209M-NX, P209M-PX & P209M-ZX), but I am not sure if these are the same pencils, just now packaged. I hope to get some of these in the near future to find out.

 

The next blog post will go into the multitudes of P207 retail packaging.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

P207C Pencils

Here I will write about the Pentel P207C Blue 0.7mm pencil. This pencil was one of the key pencils in identifying the different generations of pencils in my collection.

Generation 1AP207C (Gen 1a) - Short Tip - 546

This was the first pencil I received with the size printed on the bottom.  It is also, the only Generation 1A pencil that I own, and I have had it since 2012.

When Pentel first released the P205A Black pencil in 1970, they molded the model number (P205) into the cutout.  Apparently when they decided to release the P207 pencil, they did not get the cutout changed out and used the same molds with the blue plastic.  Well, this caused a minor problem, since the last digit of the model is the size of the lead, and since the “P205” was still molded in, they had to do something to identify this as a 0.7mm pencil, so they printed the size on the bottom of the pencil, opposite the cutout.

Another difference on this pencil from the modern versions, is that the tip has a 2mm guide pipe, instead of the modern 4mm pipe.

In pencils of Generation 1 to 4, the cap stop (what keeps the cap from pushing the eraser into the Inner Body) was inside the cap, where in Generations 5 and later, they molded the stop as a lip on the Inner Body.  Most of these pencils had a metal piece in the cap (actually the same piece as around the eraser), but this early pencil had a plastic piece inserted as the cap stop.

Generation 1B
P207C (Gen 1b) - Short Tip - 591

At some point they got the cutout changed, removing the “P205”.  They still needed some way to identify the size of the pencil, so they left the size printed on the bottom.

But, as you can see in the picture above, this solution had a problem, in that the printed size would start to get worn off.

This pencil still has the 2mm guide pipe, but the cap stop is now the metal insert.

The reason I chose to make Generations 1A & 1B as sub-category of Generation 1, is that the changes were so minor (adding printed size), and changing a minor plate (removing the P205) in the mold, but not substantially changing it, like they do below.

Generation 2
P207C (Gen 2) - 513

The solution to the printed size getting worn off, would be to mold the size into the body of the pencil.  This necessitated every pencil to now have it’s own mold, where before they could use the same molds.

They also switched to the now standard 4mm guide pipe for the tip.

This pencil and the Generation 1B above were acquired in February 2017 off eBay.

Generation 3
P207C (Gen 3) - 430

I purchased this pencil along with the Generation 1A pencil from Andrey’s Pencils on eBay back in 2012.

At this point, Pentel decided to get the model number back on the pencil, so they started printing the size, Pentel and the model on the side next to the clip.  I suspect that they also changed the ink they used, as I don’t find as many with really worn text (percentage wise) as I did for Generations 1A & 1B.  Another factor may be the protection of the clip.  Being that close to the clip’s band, it holds it off the body a little bit better.

Generation 5
P207C (Gen 5) - 327

Again, picked up off eBay, I got this in October 2016.

It is the first of the “modern” P200 generations, where they made changes to streamline costs and assembly time.

Generation 6P207C (Gen 6) - 321

I don’t remember where I got this pencil, but according to my records it was back in 2009, when I was still collecting mechanical pencils in general, before focusing on the Pentel Sharp.

It is the standard P207 that you can still buy in the stores today, with the letter in the Mark in the Cutout, and shipping with the white Z2-1 eraser.

 

And Now For Something A Little Different
P207C (Gen xx) - Suspect - 782

I purchased this pencil on eBay in 2016.  I cannot remember specifically why I purchased it, but when I got it, everything about it was wrong.

First off, at a glance, it looks like a Generation 5 or 6 pencil from the text printed (does not have the “/” in the mm) on the side, but, it has the molded size on the bottom, which ended with Generation 3, so I thought that someone had taken an old pencil and printed the new style text, but on closer inspection, even this fell apart.

When I took the pencil apart, I saw that the Inner Body does not have the Brass spring rest, and is actually a Generation 5 Inner Body, with the molded cap stop.

On closer inspection of the Outer Body, beyond just the molded size, I saw that it had the letter A in the Mark (in the cutout), which was characteristic of the Generations 2 & 3 (and possibly 4, but I don’t have one to confirm this) P207s. BUT, on the inside of the Outer Body, I found that it has the 12 point retainer of Generations 5 & 6.

So, what it looks like is someone got hold of a Generation 2 or 3 outer mold for the body and an Generation 5 or 6 inner mold for the body and used them to make their own copy of the P207 and printed the modern text on it, then inserted the modern inner mechanism.

I keep this pencil in my collection, just as a reminder that not everything is always as it is represented.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

P203E Pencils

This post will cover the Pentel P203E Brown 0.3mm pencils.  At this moment, I only own 3 distinct versions of this pencil, but I will cover some of others.

Generation 4
P203E (Gen 4) - 312

This is the earliest version of the P203 that I have been able to acquire for my collection.  This pencil has the m/m in the printed text on the side, but does not have anything molded into the bottom (like a Generation 3 would). The cap still has the metal insert that keeps it from pushing the eraser down into the Inner Body.

Generation 4.5
P203E (Gen 4.5) - 906

When I was trying to buy these pencils online, I assumed they were (what I currently call) Generation 5 because of the text on the outer body. It wasn’t until I received them and found that the inner mechanisms all belong to a 4th Generation pencil.

When I was first categorizing my pencils, I called this “Generation 5” (and later generations were 1 step higher) because I had about 11 out of about 175 pencils, so I thought this was a legitimate full Generation.  But I was getting frustrated, because I could not find a “Generation 5” P205A Black pencil.  It wasn’t until at one point, I looked at what pencils comprised this generation and found that (at that time) only 0.3mm and 0.7mm made up this generation, and for the 0.7mm, it was only the smaller run of pencils (not P207s).

I then decided that this must be an intermediary generation to use up existing supplies.  So I changed “Generations 6 and 7” to the current Generations 5 and 6, and since this is a hybrid of Generations 4 and 5, I decided to call it Generation 4.5.

Generation 6
P203E (Gen 6) - 309

I picked this pencil up with the label (model # & barcode) on it as my example of a Generation 6 P203.  It is hard to tell in the individual pictures, but if you look at the image at the top of this post, you can see that this is a slightly darker shade of plastic that makes up the body of this pencil.

Other Generations

I don’t know when the P203E was first introduced, but I suspect it was at least as far back as Generation 2.  On the cover of the German 1975 Catalog (at least that is where I believe this is from), it shows (bottom row, to the left) the 4 standard P200 pencils (at least I think that is Brown, Black, Blue and Yellow) without text on the side.

Pentel of Germany - Catalog 1975 Cover

If this is the case and that is a P203E on the cover, then it was released in at least 1974 as a Generation 2 pencil.  The other 4 P200 family of pencils appear to be Generation 3 with text printed on the side, so 1975 is where I assume that Generation 3 starts.

I also assume that there are Generation 5 P203s out there, but as of the date of this post, I have not found any.  Each time I have tried to get one, it turns out to either be a Generation 4 (I currently have 4 of these), or a Generation 6 (as it is hard to tell in online pictures).

Hopefully in the future, I will have a more complete collection of this model of pencil and will have to update this post.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

P205D & P205B Sharp Pencils

In this blog I will go over the P205D Green and P205B Burgandy pencils that I own.

I don’t know when the P205D was first released, but I have back to Generation 3, which places it in the mid-1970’s.  The only image I have of pencils from that era is a 1975 German Pentel Catalog cover, and it does not show up there, but that really doesn’t say anything, since it looks like the P203, P205, P207 & P209 are Generation 2 (no text on the side) on the cover but the other variations are Generation 3.

Pentel of Germany - Catalog 1975 Cover

One thing I have seen in various places around the internet, but have personally never been able to verify, is that originally the P200 Green was a 0.4mm pencil, instead of the current 0.5mm.  It was said to only be available in Japan, but again, I have never seen anything substantial about it (i.e. pictures), only hearsay.  It does make some sense, since Pentel does use green for 0.4 mm pencils even today, for example the Graphgear 1000 (PG1014) and Graphgear 500 (PG514).

P205D Generation 3

P205D (Gen 3)

This is a recent acquisition for my collection, which as I said above, pushes the original release date for this pencil back into the mid-70’s.

This generation is the first to have text printed on the side, but still has the molded size on the bottom.

P205D Generation 4

P205D (Gen 4)

I have had this pencil for a couple of years and up until January of this year, it was the oldest I had found for the P205D.

The only difference between this generation and the previous is they stopped molding the size into the bottom of the pencil.

P205D Generation 5

P205D (Gen 5)

I purchased this off eBay last October.  The hard part of finding the different generation of pencils is that unless you can see the cutout with the mark (as in the picture above), or they remove the cap and you can see a green eraser, it is hard to tell if you are getting a Generation 5 or 6.  Even telling the difference between a Generation 3 and 4 is hard, since most photos concentrate on the text, not the other areas of the pencil.

Again, this is the first generation with the current text on the side, dropping the / in the mm.

P205D Generation 6

P205D (Gen 6)

This is the first of the green P205s that I purchased back in 2009.  This was before I started collecting only P200s, and definitely before I realized the evolution of the pencils.

This model is the current version of the green pencil, as far as I know.

P205B Generation 6

P205B (Gen 6)

I picked this pencil up at the same time as the Gen 6 P205D above. I had just started to collect mechanical pencils in general at that time, but only did so for about a year before I specialized in the P200 Sharp Family.

As far as I know, this is the only generation available for this pencil.

Posted in P200 Family, Pentel

New Display

New counter top display case I just received with a selection of P200 family pencils.  The case was missing one of the trays, but this allows me to display some box sets and collections.

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I also added LED lighting to the display.  I may need to add some more beneath the trays to cut out the shadows and show off the pencils better.